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| « Re: NEED HELP!! Car is Broken! (Kenrik) | 4:51 PM 8/18/2008 |
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It sounds like your computer has lost it's mind and I'd bet it was related to the test pipes and an O2 sensor. You might ask the same question in the Z forum, as I think I read something there about how the VQ cooks O2 sensors when test pipes are involved.
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| « Re: NEED HELP!! Car is Broken! (Kenrik) | 4:58 PM 8/18/2008 |
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Before we all start speculating as to what the problem is, why don't you go pull the CEL codes...Oh wait, you can't because you just dumped them Good job. Next time pull the codes. It's very possible that the MAF or some other sensor is malfunctioning. I won't touch test pipes, so I can't help you there.
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| « Re: NEED HELP!! Car is Broken! (Kenrik) | 5:05 PM 8/18/2008 |
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Really need to check for codes with a scan tool.... they don't all make your CEL come on.Drive it some more until it starts acting up then run the codes. If your car is an automatic a failing torque convertor can make the car act like you said its acting... so can a clogged fuel filter! With the car idling can you hear a mis fire? Have you checked under the hood for loose wires?
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| « Re: NEED HELP!! Car is Broken! (gwoods) | 5:23 PM 8/18/2008 |
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| Quote, originally posted by gwoods » | | Really need to check for codes with a scan tool.... they don't all make your CEL come on. Drive it some more until it starts acting up then run the codes. If your car is an automatic a failing torque convertor can make the car act like you said its acting... so can a clogged fuel filter! With the car idling can you hear a mis fire? Have you checked under the hood for loose wires? |
From what I understand a faulty O2 sensor causes these same conditions.. The car has 90k and from what I have read you should really change the sensors at 100k.. + it does not help that I have test pipes. I'm going to see if I can get a code out of it (it's still running crappy and the CEL is still on) if it is the O2 sensors it's an easy fix that should run me about $150 including defowlers. Until then I'll just drive the Versa.
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| « Re: NEED HELP!! Car is Broken! (Kenrik) | 7:13 PM 8/18/2008 |
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Good luck. Hope its a simple fix. My car is down now as well. My parts come on Thursday so for now I am rocking my roommates 88 Pontiac formula Fiero.
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| « Re: NEED HELP!! Car is Broken! (TeflonG35) | 9:34 PM 8/18/2008 |
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My guess would be O2 sensors, since you have test pipes. If it's not the O2 sensors, I'd say MAF. Check the codes.

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| « Re: NEED HELP!! Car is Broken! (Beancooker) | 12:10 AM 8/19/2008 |
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I'd also say O2 sensors.Recommended change interval is 100K miles i believe, but I think your problem is only because you didnt already have defoulers set up on your test pipes. Too much exhaust, too much heat...pushes O2 sensors out very quickly. Where you find the O2 sensors for $150? There are 4 four our cars, 2 pre cat(unheated) and 2 post cat(heated).
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I say pull the codes, put some decent gas in the car and go easy on it for a few days. Then pull the codes again. If it's not gas, it sounds like a fuel pump to me...
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| « Re: NEED HELP!! Car is Broken! (Kenrik) | 9:40 AM 8/19/2008 |
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I am not sure Kenrik, but if 02 sensors or even MAF, were bad or malfunctioning, then at idle, the RPM needle will keep moving up and down as your ECU searches for the right timing and/or A/F ratio mixture. In fact, when you give it gas, when staionary, it might actually shut down the car--usually very rough at idle. You should get a code, even if the CEL does not come on, if it is an electrical or A/F mixture problem. CEL not coming on, does not mean there isn't a faulty code in the ECU.If this is not hapenning at idle, then i urge you to check the little fuses in the fuse box. Get a CEL code check. Bad fuel, bad fuel filter, bad pressure regulator, an aging fuel pump, will cause this type of behavior in a car especially when it is in motion--sometimes, it will drive fine and and other times it just annoys the heck out of you. It will most likely progressively get worse as it gets more clogged up or unable to push more fuel to the engine. Just my 2 cents.
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| « Re: NEED HELP!! Car is Broken! (tollboothwilley) | 12:48 PM 8/19/2008 |
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| Quote, originally posted by tollboothwilley » | There are 4 four our cars, 2 pre cat(unheated) and 2 post cat(heated). |
This is debatable. One of our lovely newer members made it a point to "inform" us that there are no pre-cats on our cars. Then made sure we all knew how stupid we were. I looked up the FSM and couldn't find much info on the Cats. There was no mention of a pre-cat that I saw. Jacko,
IIRC, the ECU will go into "protection" mode if the MAF fails completely. It runs the fuel mixture very rich and limits engine RPMs to 4k or so.
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| « Re: NEED HELP!! Car is Broken! (Sentientbydesign) | 2:13 PM 8/19/2008 |
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Nate:Thanks! Good info.
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| « Re: NEED HELP!! Car is Broken! (Jacko3) | 3:32 PM 8/19/2008 |
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yes it idles funny searching for a rpm.. The check engine light is on which makes me think it's the 02 sensors because I don't think a faulty fuel pump can throw a CEL. Also put the ecm in diagnostic mode and see what codes come up.
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| « Re: NEED HELP!! Car is Broken! (Kenrik) | 3:38 PM 8/19/2008 |
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While the car is running, unplug the MAF and see what happens.
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| « Re: NEED HELP!! Car is Broken! (Kenrik) | 4:00 PM 8/19/2008 |
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| Quote, originally posted by Kenrik » | | yes it idles funny searching for a rpm.. The check engine light is on which makes me think it's the 02 sensors because I don't think a faulty fuel pump can throw a CEL. Also put the ecm in diagnostic mode and see what codes come up.
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I recently had the CEL come on in the cobra. Took it to Autozone for them to pull the codes. It pointed to a mis-fire on bank 1. I replaced the spark plugs on the pass. side. (even tho the wires & plugs were changed 20K ago) Light came back on after 50 miles and was still idling strange. Took it to FURD and had them run a diagnostic. It said the pass side O2 sensor was bad - between engine & cat. I replace it, reset the codes, drives SMOOTH. Ran it 100 miles and had it inspected. Light has been off since. Had a 01 Pathy. Same thing. Took it to Advance. They pulled the codes and said it was a mis-fire due to bad spark plug. Took it to Nissan, they ran a diagnostic and it was an O2 sensor that was bad.
Beware of autozone and advance. Daughter's Max was running like crap - skipping. Took it to Autozone. They pulled the codes and said a number 4 mis-fire. Bought a spark plug and coil pack. It was the number 4 coil pack. Sometimes they get it right!! Good luck!!! My bet is an O2 sensor, but I might try some fresh gas & Lucas gas treatment first.
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| « Re: NEED HELP!! Car is Broken! (Kenrik) | 4:03 PM 8/19/2008 |
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Good! Go ahead and do what RED_DET suggested--unplug the MAF while the car is running and tell us what happens or use the butt of a screwdriver and tap on the MAF a few times, while it is still connected and while the car is running, and tell us what happens. Another part than can cause this problem is a distributor--I have no idea what the equivalent is in these modern cars or in a G-35 Coupe which has so much electronics. I know the G has a distributor or an equivalent---a part that controls timing and current to the spark plugs. However, if that component is bad, the ECU will always pick it up as a code, and the CEL may not necessarily come on.
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| « Re: NEED HELP!! Car is Broken! (Jacko3) | 4:05 PM 8/19/2008 |
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Jacko: Coil packs and electronic ignition.
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| « Re: NEED HELP!! Car is Broken! (Sentientbydesign) | 4:46 PM 8/19/2008 |
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Codes PO132 PO152 PO158 PO132 (Pending??) PO152 (Pending??)All were O2 Sensor What it said.. Bank 1 Sensor 1 Bank 2 Sensor 1 Bank 2 Sensor 2 Bank 1 Sensor 1 *Pending* Bank 2 Sensor 1 Bank 2 Sensor 2 *Pending* Put that in english please? I see it as both O2s after the cat and one of the upper O2s? What's with the *Pending* ??? Am I right>? Ok now.. can I go with universal O2 sensors? they are like half the price and right now I'm super poor. I just paid for my wife's school 
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| « Re: NEED HELP!! Car is Broken! (Kenrik) | 4:54 PM 8/19/2008 |
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I think the pending means that the code was stored from a previous instance. I could be wrong. We need C-kwik to come to the rescue lol.
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| « Re: NEED HELP!! Car is Broken! (Sentientbydesign) | 5:22 PM 8/19/2008 |
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Nate:Thanks! I needed that. sometimes this brain of mine starts to do its own thing.
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| « Re: NEED HELP!! Car is Broken! (Jacko3) | 7:11 PM 8/19/2008 |
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Kinda like a Miss Fire! I think you should replace all fo the O2 Sensors just to be safe! You are not going to change 2 and then that might cause you more problems later? but I would do it right the first time
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Tampa:Very sound advice---replace all the 02, even if with universal o2 sensors.
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| « Re: NEED HELP!! Car is Broken! (Kenrik) | 12:07 AM 8/20/2008 |
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| Quote, originally posted by Kenrik » | Codes PO132 PO152 PO158 PO132 (Pending??) PO152 (Pending??)All were O2 Sensor What it said.. Bank 1 Sensor 1 Bank 2 Sensor 1 Bank 2 Sensor 2 Bank 1 Sensor 1 *Pending* Bank 2 Sensor 1 Bank 2 Sensor 2 *Pending* Put that in english please? I see it as both O2s after the cat and one of the upper O2s? What's with the *Pending* ??? Am I right>? Ok now.. can I go with universal O2 sensors? they are like half the price and right now I'm super poor. I just paid for my wife's school  |
PO158 - O2 sensor bank 2 sensor 2 PO132 sensor1 bank1 PO152 sensor1 bank 2 Possible Causes:
1.bad 02 sensor(most likely) 2.running really rich 3. fuel pressure return line blocked/broken or pressure regulator no workie or leaking. I guess you never had SAAB. zozo

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| « Re: NEED HELP!! Car is Broken! (Sentientbydesign) | 12:36 AM 8/20/2008 |
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| Quote, originally posted by Sentientbydesign » | | Jacko: Coil packs and electronic ignition. |
You mean there is no longer a distributor cap, points, and a condensor? Telcoman
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| « Re: NEED HELP!! Car is Broken! (SVTCOBRA) | 4:25 AM 8/20/2008 |
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| Quote, originally posted by SVTCOBRA » | I recently had the CEL come on in the cobra. Took it to Autozone for them to pull the codes. It pointed to a mis-fire on bank 1. I replaced the spark plugs on the pass. side. (even tho the wires & plugs were changed 20K ago) Light came back on after 50 miles and was still idling strange. Took it to FURD and had them run a diagnostic. It said the pass side O2 sensor was bad - between engine & cat. I replace it, reset the codes, drives SMOOTH. Ran it 100 miles and had it inspected. Light has been off since. . |
Lucky I had a mis fire #3 in my hemi ram, pulled the plugs and the gaps were closed, pulled the head and found the ring land was missing from 12 o clock to about 3 oclock.
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| « Re: NEED HELP!! Car is Broken! (Kenrik) | 4:29 AM 8/20/2008 |
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| Quote, originally posted by Kenrik » | Codes PO132 PO152 PO158 PO132 (Pending??) PO152 (Pending??)All were O2 Sensor What it said.. Bank 1 Sensor 1 Bank 2 Sensor 1 Bank 2 Sensor 2 Bank 1 Sensor 1 *Pending* Bank 2 Sensor 1 Bank 2 Sensor 2 *Pending* Put that in english please? I see it as both O2s after the cat and one of the upper O2s? What's with the *Pending* ??? Am I right>? Ok now.. can I go with universal O2 sensors? they are like half the price and right now I'm super poor. I just paid for my wife's school  |
The universals will work fine you may end up splicing wires cause they probably won't just plug in. Check how many wires your O2 sensors have now vs the universal I think there are 4 and 5 wire O2 sensors (with or without heater?) I would replace all 4 O2 sensors. Nice scan tool! I HAD an autoxray that I sold when I sold my Ram.
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| « Re: NEED HELP!! Car is Broken! (Sentientbydesign) | 11:54 AM 8/20/2008 |
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| Quote, originally posted by Sentientbydesign » | | We need C-kwik to come to the rescue lol. |
Thanks for the vote of confidence. LOL. But I'm not sure I can be too specific on this topic. Codes can appear for a variety of reasons, not just a failure of the sensors themselves. I'm dealing with a handful of codes on two of my parent's cars. One is a 01 Sentra my mom just got. Followed the FSM procedures and determined the sensor the code involves was bad. Replaced it and the code still comes up. For Kenrik's car, it doesn't come off like O2 sensor malfunctions. I wouldn't expect several of them to fail simultaneously nor would I expect the car to run that poorly from a worn out or faulty O2 sensor. My guess would be that something else may be causing the issue that isn't detected by the OBD2 and is causing the O2 sensor readings to be way off. The FSM should go through all the possibilities.
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I had a similar issue to this with my focus SVT...turned out it was just a clogged fuel filter....May want to check that...most modern cars have them and people don't really realize they should be changed every 20k or so...
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| Quote, originally posted by Focusedintntions » | | I had a similar issue to this with my focus SVT...turned out it was just a clogged fuel filter.... May want to check that...most modern cars have them and people don't really realize they should be changed every 20k or so... |
I think all Nissan/Infinitis since 2000 only have one fuel filter. It's a sleeve filter that's part of the fuel pump. They did away with the in-line filter. I know this is true for the G and the Maxima. I assume it's the same for the other vehicles.
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| Quote, originally posted by Focusedintntions » | | I had a similar issue to this with my focus SVT...turned out it was just a clogged fuel filter.... May want to check that...most modern cars have them and people don't really realize they should be changed every 20k or so... |
ME TOO 1991 Sunbird I bought for $100 with a blown head gasket. Did exactly what Kenricks car is doing + would NOT shift under full throttle, if you let up it would shift. Pontiac dealership didn't charge me and told me to replace the ff.
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| « Re: NEED HELP!! Car is Broken! (Kenrik) | 6:45 PM 8/20/2008 |
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I liked the idea that it was the O2 sensor... I don't care to track down another issue.. The fuel filters are only in the tank on the G and from what I have read get replaced when you do a fuel pump. I personally thought it was the O2 sensors because they are due to be changed at 100k and I have test pipes. My Exhaust smells like a 1982 Ford Econoline Van... when I drove it yesterday it was not bucking but I could feel it had less power then it usually does. Are the four O2 sensors different?? I have seen Universals for $33 each.. http://www2.partstrain.com/sto...+5843 Do I buy 4 of those? are the upper O2s different from the lowers?? Which ones do I get? I need the cheapest possible that will work.
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| « Re: NEED HELP!! Car is Broken! (Kenrik) | 6:55 PM 8/20/2008 |
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I have also read that it's good to replay ALL 4 after your car has so much mileage....IF you are planning on keeping it. I would have done all 4 of mine in the cobra if I were going to keep it. Doesn't answer your question, but was just adding my 2cents.
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| « Re: NEED HELP!! Car is Broken! (Kenrik) | 7:42 PM 8/20/2008 |
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It sounds like your ECM is in fail safe mode. Was your CEL on before? It sounds like you may be having a problem with you throttle motor or MAF. Those are the symptoms on a stock vehicle, it sounds more likely your H02Ss may be burned but that may not be your only issue. Fuel strainers very rarely get clogged. I would have to see some engine parameters to be able to point you in a better directions.
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| « Re: NEED HELP!! Car is Broken! (Kenrik) | 7:46 PM 8/20/2008 |
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| Quote, originally posted by Kenrik » | I liked the idea that it was the O2 sensor... I don't care to track down another issue.. The fuel filters are only in the tank on the G and from what I have read get replaced when you do a fuel pump. I personally thought it was the O2 sensors because they are due to be changed at 100k and I have test pipes. My Exhaust smells like a 1982 Ford Econoline Van... when I drove it yesterday it was not bucking but I could feel it had less power then it usually does. Are the four O2 sensors different?? I have seen Universals for $33 each.. http://www2.partstrain.com/sto...+5843 Do I buy 4 of those? are the upper O2s different from the lowers?? Which ones do I get? I need the cheapest possible that will work.
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Pre cat and post cat will be different, right to left the same. So you need 2 pre cat and 2 post cat. WOW those are exspensive! I bet the only difference between the universal and the Infiniti specific is the connector on the end BUT you could always cut your connector off the old sensor and splice it onto the new sensor. Good LUCK!
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| « Re: NEED HELP!! Car is Broken! (SteveTheTech) | 2:07 PM 8/21/2008 |
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| Quote, originally posted by SteveTheTech » | It sounds like your ECM is in fail safe mode. Was your CEL on before? It sounds like you may be having a problem with you throttle motor or MAF. Those are the symptoms on a stock vehicle, it sounds more likely your H02Ss may be burned but that may not be your only issue. Fuel strainers very rarely get clogged. I would have to see some engine parameters to be able to point you in a better directions. |
I don't think it would go into a failsafe over bad O2 sensors. And if something else were to cause a failsafe, a code would likely come up. My thought is that its likely something else that is causing the poor running condition (that is not out of the range enough to trigger a code) and may be causing an O2 sensor reading that is out of range. I would go through the entire diagnostic procedure for the given codes in the FSM. Otherwise you may end up replacing the sensors and still have the problem. Or worse yet, if the problem caused damage to teh O2 sensors, an unresolved problem may destroy your brand new sensors as well.
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| « Re: NEED HELP!! Car is Broken! (Sentientbydesign) | 2:46 PM 8/21/2008 |
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| Quote, originally posted by Sentientbydesign » | This is debatable. One of our lovely newer members made it a point to "inform" us that there are no pre-cats on our cars. Then made sure we all knew how stupid we were. I looked up the FSM and couldn't find much info on the Cats. There was no mention of a pre-cat that I saw.
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We do have 2 oxygen sensors before the cats at least for the 2003 (they are the same sensors for both sides of the manifold) and we have 2 sensors after the cat.
I'm positive of this. The parts manual is clear on this. http://www.infinitipartsonline...gid=0
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| « Re: NEED HELP!! Car is Broken! | 2:57 PM 8/21/2008 |
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The pre cat O2 sensors are unheated (2 wire) , the post cat sensors are heated (4 wire)The pre cats (front 2) are the same, where as the post cats are different right to left. You should be buying 2 universal unheated O2 sensors, and i believe 2 heated O2 sensors(even though they are different from the plug and play stock options). It will just be a little splicing of wires, which sometimes sucks a nut when you dont have a lot of room.
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| « Re: NEED HELP!! Car is Broken! (tollboothwilley) | 9:17 AM 8/22/2008 |
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| Quote, originally posted by tollboothwilley » | We do have 2 oxygen sensors before the cats at least for the 2003 (they are the same sensors for both sides of the manifold) and we have 2 sensors after the cat.
I'm positive of this. The parts manual is clear on this. http://www.infinitipartsonline...gid=0 |
Ok, here's the issue. I think I misunderstood the original post. It makes sense that there are two O2 sensors before the cat (pre cat) and two after. I thought Kenrik though there were two sensor in/on the "Pre-cat" - essentially a cat before the main cat that prevented emissions while the exhaust was still cool. I think Nissan has/is doing away with them due to all of the Sentra/Altima engine failures that were caused by the "Pre-cat".
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| « Re: NEED HELP!! Car is Broken! (C-Kwik) | 7:21 PM 8/22/2008 |
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| Quote, originally posted by C-Kwik » | I don't think it would go into a failsafe over bad O2 sensors. And if something else were to cause a failsafe, a code would likely come up. My thought is that its likely something else that is causing the poor running condition (that is not out of the range enough to trigger a code) and may be causing an O2 sensor reading that is out of range. I would go through the entire diagnostic procedure for the given codes in the FSM. Otherwise you may end up replacing the sensors and still have the problem. Or worse yet, if the problem caused damage to teh O2 sensors, an unresolved problem may destroy your brand new sensors as well. |
Your right there are only a few DTCs that will cause the ECM to go into fail safe and they are all related to the electronic engine control, ie. TPS or throttle control motor failure, APP sensor either 1 or 2 failure, something like that I think I may have not have re read well enough what I was writing. The ECM really only goes into fail safe when it cannot rationally control ECM outputs based on incorrect input signals or an open circuit. This problem most likely had a corresponding diagnostic trouble code and may have been erased earlier.Most |